The flag has nothing to do with slavery.
Yes, it does.
I do not know that it ever had.
Then you’ve probably never read a book other than the Confederate Catechism.
So, you’re telling me because the Confederate flag had ties to slavery, it should be spoken down to?
Umm. Yes. But I thought you said didn’t? Except it does. And I’m not speaking down to it, I’m more condemning it as the mindlessly backwards symbol of hatred that it is, given its usage by anti-civil rights causes and, you know, the KKK, and Neo-Nazi’s alike.
Well, America drove thousands of people out of their homes, amassed a body count comparable to the holocaust, and ‘reeducated’ the survivors so we could erase their culture, so why do we DARE fly the American flag if Native Americans might be offended?
The American flag is not a battle flag, unlike the one pictured above. It’s not considered treason to fly the American flag, unlike the one pictured above.
And those slaves that white people went down to grab? I will agree, it was wrong of us to take those people. Slavery is never right, be it against blacks, whites, Asians, Indians, Arabs, anyone (oh, yes, slavery has been used against every race, you ignorant bleeding heart.) Whites were not the only ones dealing in the slave trade. Africans would sell their enemies to slavers. That’s right, black people were in the slave trade beyond being bought and sold. How shocking that no one ever points this out.
Ooh look, something we agree on! As this is factual. Except that people do point it out, and know about it. It’s just that we live in America, and part of being an American should be recognizing the horrible things we’ve done instead of mindlessly following ancient symbols of anti-PoC oppression. But you know, why dwell on the past when racism is clearly dead in the present? Oh.
The Civil War was not all about slavery.
I think that was actually the 2nd answer in the Confederate Catechism. Or maybe the first. It was one of those. Actual history starts out: Chapter One: The Civil War was about Slavery.
It was about economics.
Yes, the economics of slavery.
I don’t know how stupid and racist you have to be to make everything about the plight of the black man.
I don’t know how stupid and racist you have to be to make everything about the plight of the black man. Congratulations. You win slavery apologist of the week.
Sit through any American History class with a non-biased teacher, and you will hear how the North and South had been ready to fight long before the slavery issue began. Both sides wanted money from Southern trade. I won’t even get into who was right or wrong in that affair, but that’s how the Civil War started. The South wanted more control, and the North said no.
If by more control you mean more slaves, then you’re entirely correct. The South actually drew up compromises that would evade war if the North allowed permanent slavery to exist in the South. All those state’s rights arguments you’ve heard centered around the right to own slaves, as many as we want, however we have to get them, including hauling back in freed slaves.
Not every person who hung the Confederate flag in the past even owned slaves. You had to put forward a lot of money to own a slave, money that the average planter simply did not have. The plantation owners were obviously well off and kept as many slaves as they could, flaunting their bodies as evidence of their wealth. I come from a long line of farmers from my great-grandmother, a minor family from a small town in Mississippi. As far as I know, no one in that area ever had slaves. Why? Because they had no such money. That’s an entire town that hung the Confederate flag without owning a single slave.
Yes, because poor men have never been sent to fight rich men’s wars. Who do you think pays campaign contributions? Who brides politicians? Rich men bride politicians into going to war, wars which neither rich men nor politicians fight themselves. Also, historically, American politicians have come from rich families. In those times, slave-owning families. You are ignoring all of the facts human nature and the history of American government.
Men fought and died for their way of life, to have freedom from oppression.
You can fight for freedom or you can fight for slavery, or you can fight to be free to own slaves. You can put a lot of names to it but, in the end, they were fighting for the right to ‘own’, rape, abuse, and murder human beings. That’s it.
They fought under orders, under the Confederate flag. They were like any other soldier anywhere else on Earth, but people say those red-blooded Americans were nothing but damnable racists because they fought under the Confederate flag. Many of these soldiers likely never owned a slave, and it goes back to the aforementioned money. In the Civil War era, gentlemen of means could buy a position in the army, while the poorer folk fought as simple soldiers. You could not own slaves if you could not afford them.
The excuse that they were just following orders is a slippery slope, wherein you have to acknowledge that most of the Nazi soldiers were just following orders, so why can’t we fly the Swastika?
The Confederate flag is a part of my heritage in much the same way the German, Italian, and Cherokee flags are.
…..no. The German flag represents that you have ancestors from Germany. The Italian flag represents that you have ancestors from Italy. The Confederate battle flag represents that your ancestors committed treason against the federal government for the right to own slaves. It’s not quite the same thing.
I refuse to allow anyone to twist it and make it out to be something evil.
I don’t have to twist it to make it out to be something evil.
You may go ahead and say that I am horribly racist and backwards, that I am just some ignorant bitch living down South. However, I have said my peace, and I am glad that I did. I leave it up to you to decide which argument you like. Doesn’t phase me at all whether you agree or disagree.
Well. It is actually racist to defend a symbol of racism, it is backwards, and it is ignorant, unless you actually do know how hateful these things that you’re saying are. I live down South, and I have all my life. I am white, and I was raised by white supremacists who flew that flag. I escaped. I hope you do, one day.
The CSA existed for four years. Unless you’re from Mississippi, (currently the only state flag to feature the Confederate battle flag) or your family only lived in the South between 1861 and 1865, this isn’t really a valid way to represent your heritage, unless you want to glorify the actions of the CSA. The flag of whatever state you’re from (or better yet, the American flag) covers a much more varied history than the Confederate flag, while also not representing a wholly immoral, defunct, and treasonous government.
Do you fly the German flag? Which one? I bet you don’t fly the one of the murderous regime that murdered 6 million people. Fixating on the rebel flag ignores the other 200-odd years of history at your disposal. A “proud German-American” who displayed the Nazi flag would be shunned and ridiculed; those who insist that flying the Confederate flag is the only way to remember “Southern heritage” should be as well.